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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 22, 2008 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Non Dead- Bush = Hitler

How many times have you heard that bush is hitler and the republican administration is fascist?

I wish it was true.

Because if it really was, I'd never hear the annoying comments and the silly people with the puppets marching in the street (in a fascist state, whoever says these things would be rounded up and dealt with).

Brought to you by NoiseCollector, debunking empty rhetoric online since 2005.

Back to your previsouly scheduled soundboard... and freedom of speech (and other evil rights granted by a piece of paper written by racist, sexist, assholes)

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Poster: craven714 Date: Aug 22, 2008 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead- Bush = Hitler

http://www.illuminatiarchives.org/illuminati/bush-family-funded-hitler-through-thyssen-bohemian-grove/

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 22, 2008 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead- Bush = Hitler

If I check that link and there is not a reference to him being a reptillian alien interloper, I will be upset.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 22, 2008 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead- Bush = Hitler

define facism

If one accepts the definition as state corporatism, as did Mussolini, then it's not (wholly) empty rhetoric....

As far as Bush = Hitler, that's a joke. Then again, it's hard for me to take seriously any guy that was a cheerleader at an elite prep school...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 22, 2008 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

Agreed.

FYI, via wiki:

"Fascism is an authoritarian nationalist political ideology and mass movement that is concerned with notions of cultural decline or decadence, and which seeks to achieve a millenarian national rebirth by exalting the nation or race, as well as promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.[1][2][3][4][5]

Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, corporatism, militarism, authoritarianism, populism, collectivism, statism, dictatorship, and economic planning. In addition, Fascism opposes conservatism, liberalism and communism.[6][2][1][7][8][9][10]

Fascism has been seen by some as a reactionary force against the rising power of liberalism that was ignited by the French Revolution, and was allied with and aided conservatives in regaining power.[11] Furthermore, fascist regimes subordinate free enterprise to perceived national interests.[12] However fascists in Germany and Italy denied that they were reactionary political forces and claimed that they opposed reactionaries, and that they were actually revolutionary political movements that (unlike liberalism, socialism, and communism) fused with conservative social values. Unlike reactionary political entities, fascists supported revolutionary politics, and fascists like Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler used leftist political terms such as "proletariat" and "bourgeois" to describe society. Unlike typical reactionary political forces in Europe at the time, fascists did not demonstrate fondness with having monarchies and pushed them into figurehead positions. Even in Italy where Mussolini ruled alongside the King, relations between the Fascist regime and the monarchy at times grew tense and the Fascist regime made attempts to diminish and sideline the monarchy.

Some authors reject broad usage of the term or exclude certain parties and regimes.[13] Following the defeat of the Axis powers in World War II, there have been few self-proclaimed fascist groups and individuals. In contemporary political discourse, the term fascist is often used by adherents of some ideologies as a pejorative description of their opponents."

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 22, 2008 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

Great, now my brain hurts.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 22, 2008 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

Tell, have you ever read Modern Times by Paul Johnson? Fascinating book. He examines in depth rise of Lenin, Hitler, Mussoloni, etc as well as broader cultural, scientific, etc developments of 20s through the 90s.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 23, 2008 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

No, I haven't, but thanks for the tip. I have been reading a great deal on the 30s and the rise of the dictators. An excellent read, though dense, is by Taylor ("Munich: the Price of Peace", 1979). It makes clear that in many ways WWII was an inevitable outcome given 1) the depression and limitations on arms spending in the democracies, and 2) lack of willingness for folks to EVER want to experience the carnage of the GREAT WAR again leading to "peace at ANY price!" outlooks (duh), and finally 3) nationalist movements/ant communist reactions/etc/etc (ie, your theme here).

This post was modified by William Tell on 2008-08-23 15:02:51

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 22, 2008 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

Yea, a look at the pacifists from that time period is a true cautionary tale. And I work for/with a "peace" group. Thanks in turn for the tip.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 22, 2008 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

Truly sad, tragic and disturbing all at once. Having swallowed the pablum about Chamberlin vs Churchill, etc., etc., I now realize that in many ways Chamberlin was doing exactly what any rational person would have done, and certainly was following the will of the people of both France and GB in appeasing the maniac...we always want history to be much simpler than it turns out to be.

Thanks again--great kicking it around.

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Poster: veblen Date: Aug 22, 2008 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

I always preferred the wilt-russell match-ups more than the chamberlin-churchill ones...

though churchill had a much better command of foreign policy and knew something about building a navy but he just didn't have the "D" that mr russell out of USF possessed...

oc course WC was a much better orator as well...if you have ever heard bill call a game you will appreciate that one...

press: well mr prime minister, general montgomary says that he doesn't smoke nor drink and he feels 100% better healthwise.

churchill: well tell monte that I both smoke and drink and I feel 200% better...

or something like that...




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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 22, 2008 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

Outstanding!

Yes, the interaction between Churchill and Monty: "I don't drink and I don't smoke, and I am 100% fit!" (Monty)..."Well...I drink...(takes swig)...and I smoke...(takes puff on cigar)...AND I am 200% fit!" (Winny).

It is a sobering thought indeed to realize that at my age Winny had been down and out for almost ten years, and yet had another ten to go before he got around to "blood, sweat, toil and tears!".

Who knows what's waiting for me?

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Poster: veblen Date: Aug 22, 2008 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

I don't think about it much but he was 66 in 1940...uncle joe was 62...

Even though I have always been extremely active, I still have pretty much gone to the churchill (smoke and drink) and twain ("we all feel the desire to exercise but I find if I sit back for a moment or two the feeling goes away") view of exercising, though I think the time has come to pretend that I enjoy running again. I would to hate to ever have to use the line: only if...

Regarding neville chamberlin: I am trying to recall the book that has him in first person during the munich conferences with AH in 38. For some reason Sartre's the age of reason comes to mind since there is a good portion of that work devoted to the French worrying about being called up with the fate of France and Europe dependent on the conference's outcome.

funny, I am just finishing a re-reading the Danzig Trilogy by Gunter Grass which is looking at the issue from the other perspective...

btw: thanks to you my winamp won't play anything but 68-06-14. Like most shows from 68 I find myself stopping at some point and going "wow" but this is one of the few shows I do it in the middle of st stephen. It is a wonderful and magical tune but the 06-14 version has a little extra kick to say the very least...maybe because they only had been playing it for two or three weeks...
oh, and the caution "ain't" too shabby either...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 22, 2008 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cut & Paste, Will Travel

Damn, v! Could be worse, I suppose...what if it was Steve Miller?

Do be sure to check out tracks 1 & 10 on disk 4 of the mystery disks to hear much better renditions of the belove StSt with the repeated last verse...

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Poster: boogie-man Date: Aug 22, 2008 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: America: Freedom to Fascism

http://www.freedomtofascism.com

It's worth taking a quick look at this site. No need to buy Aaron Russo's DVD, but that's a good idea. I recommend watching the streaming interview of him, near the bottom of this webpage, "See Director Aaron Russo talk about 9/11 Truth and Nick Rockefeller." It's layed out in simple terms. The case is very strongly made for Fascism.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 22, 2008 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead- Bush = Hitler

"debunking empty rhetoric"

Now there's a campaign slogan I could get behind...

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